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... Red Dragon Leo

I'm sitting in cash too Captain. I didn't see this one coming. I'll have too wait for a bounce… hopefully tomorrow.

... Red Dragon Leo

No, I miss this one Monica. I'm glad your short though. I'll have to wait for a bounce now to get short. Arrrgggh!

... monicadern

You short now?

... bensjoyce

looks like the shorts got the jump on us. Right when I thought “we” had it figured out the “cartel” steps ahead of us and sells. On what news? Rueters states Jobless claims (weekly) and soviergn debt problems, see yahoofincancial

I've read the revisions to the monthly employment data for the previous YEAR will come out tomorrow and the bad news is that it's thought the revisions could be 100K more each of the 12 months unemployed than reported (according to larry levin). This bad news for 2009 will overshadow the NFP tomorrow. So they sold the bad news today.

... Captain_Koons

He Red, Looks like we may need to change the game plan. I did not see this drop coming and I am not short, sitting mostly in cash at this time. Do you still see things playing out with a leg down in the markets starting sometime next week?

Thanks again for all of your research and analysis.

... Red Dragon Leo

I'm a 100% cash now Steveo… I'm just waiting for the finally push higher on Friday or Monday. Target is 112-113 spy. I'll be going 100% short at that area. Yes, I'm that confident that the market will fall. My target is 104 by OPX.

... Red Dragon Leo

Glad to have you join me Crash. This Friday or Monday will be the time to go short. We just have too wait for another push higher first. Patience….

... monicadern

I believe you. I am still short.

... Crash Gordon

Red ….

Wait just getting my coat (and helmet), I'm coming with you ………….!

Crash

... Red Dragon Leo

Any 2x or 3x etf is only good when you have a large move in one direction or the other. During the consolidation periods, they all erode and fall lower, if when the underlining stock that it follows is flat.

I lost a lot of money on FAZ, and if I every did play them again, I'd only go short… never long. That way, even if the market starts going sideways for awhile, your etf will gradually fall lower. It's designed that way, so you have to take that into account before you take a position in one.

If you think the market is going up, you would go short on the bear etf (which is basically going long), and if you think the market is going down, then you would short the bull etf.

Time decay wouldn't hurt you as much, as they would naturally start to fall if the market trends sideways before it makes the move you want it too.

Hope that makes sense?